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Post by shane on Mar 22, 2004 9:58:18 GMT -5
After chatting to Cornfan about this, I was wondering how many people hibernate their corns in preparation to breeding.
Angi
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Post by Cornfan on Mar 22, 2004 12:20:38 GMT -5
Well guys, I voted no. The reasons I don't brumate my corns are many. The main one though is that i like to feed up my females before breeding season and give them as much nourishment as possible. The secondary reason is that males tend to go into semi-brumation anyway and go off of their food during the winter months.
Not brumating means that breeding season generally arrives early for me and I get to enjoy them all year round. It's never affected fertility in my batches and their instincts never fail them in their timing for breeding.
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Post by fatso on Mar 27, 2004 16:41:46 GMT -5
Tanya I find this very interesting that you don't brumate you corns, and them being early. I brumate all of my breeders to make them early, I warm there enviroment up after brumation on jan 1st this means I get eggs around about now, and babies about mid - late may.( need to get hatchlings to start feeding before harvest (I work on a farm).
Have all of your snakes that you intended to breed layed there eggs.
What temps. do you keep your snake room at all times.
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Post by Cornfan on Mar 28, 2004 9:42:41 GMT -5
Hiya Paul, the ones I imported from Rich earlier this year were all brumated by him and they came out of brumation on 15th Jan. I've yet to see results from them but the ones I already had have been quite busy and I've had eggs which are ready to hatch any time now (was expecting them during the week but no sign yet). I keep them at a constant temperature of 26c but drop it to 24c during November and December. This and the light changes which occur naturally (I never close the curtains in my reptile room) seem to bring them into sinc of their own accord. I shall be interested to see whether my new ones will fall into line with the others next winter...... only time will tell.
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Post by fatso on Mar 28, 2004 13:07:02 GMT -5
So were the ones that haven't layed there eggs yet just put in together later or did you go by there shedding which just happened to be later.
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Post by fatso on Mar 28, 2004 15:10:23 GMT -5
There is a discusion going on on another site at the moment about COOLING DOWN, there are alot of people there getting the point wrong.
The lady was saying that you shouldn't cool down boids, which is very true, but there are people who are thinking that this goes for all snake. Some snakes WONT breed if they have not been hybernated. But boids (pythons and boas) come mostly from the tropics it does not get cold there, just a little bit cooler. There breeding cycle centers around light and humidity.
Most corns in the wild DO brumate as the temps. get so low that there digestive systems don't work properly. It would be hazardous for them to eat as what food they may swollow will rot in there stomache.
When they come out of brumation it is time to breed, they have a year to mate, lay eggs, and then a long time to rebuild lost wieght, and for the babies to grow before they also have to brumate. During brumation I have not noticed any wieght loss, so all of the extra pounds gained during the year is there for egg production.
It is natural for a corn to brumate, if the temps. are right.
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Post by Cornfan on Mar 28, 2004 17:12:26 GMT -5
The ones that haven't laid yet have only just shed and the males are only now starting to look interested. The females are with them and I'm just waiting to see some action.
I've just read that discussion earlier this evening as it happens and found it quite interesting. I'm not a boid person so didn't know any of that.
I've never heard of any problems caused to corn snakes during brumation and really think that it's down to the individual as to whether they choose to brumate or not. I choose not to as they go through the motions without my having to. Males go off of their food during the winter months anyway and females continue to eat and build up their strength. I believe that they do these mainly through the changes in environment such as lighting.
All of the reasons for brumating are given as fertility but, so far, my not brumating them has never caused me to believe that this is affected in any way.
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Post by Karen on Apr 1, 2004 16:53:43 GMT -5
I too did not cool my corns this year for breeding.This was purely personal choice. It is my 2 females first year of breeding and so far one has produced a lovely batch of 8 eggs whilst the other is just settling down in her nesting box.
Karen
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Post by Cornfan on Apr 1, 2004 17:33:07 GMT -5
Congrats! Bet you're excited.
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Post by Karen on Apr 1, 2004 17:39:39 GMT -5
Very Excited and nervous. First year for our corns and first year of breeding snakes for us!
Karen
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Post by zarozinia on Apr 2, 2004 2:15:39 GMT -5
Hi Karen
Its our first year breeding corns too.
Our second corn is also just getting aquainted with her nesting box, expecting them within a few days now.
Angi
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Post by James on Apr 9, 2004 13:32:14 GMT -5
Good luck Karen and Angi, I hope the incubation goes well for you.
James
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Post by zarozinia on May 12, 2004 14:03:42 GMT -5
Any other corn breeders like to comment on this?
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